Engelberg

Engelberg

Obwalden, Switzerland46.8200, 8.4000
Altitude
1013m
Services
48

Seasonal Overview

Engelberg transforms into a majestic winter wonderland, renowned for its extensive and diverse ski areas that cater to all levels, from beginners to advanced freeriders. The jewel in its crown is Mount Titlis, accessible via the world's first revolving cable car, the Titlis Rotair, which offers breathtaking 360-degree views of the surrounding peaks and glaciers. The Titlis area boasts high-altitude, snow-sure slopes, a stunning glacier park, and the iconic Cliff Walk suspension bridge. For families and those seeking sunnier, gentler slopes, the Brunni area provides a perfect alternative with its 'sunny side' reputation and family-friendly infrastructure. Freeride enthusiasts flock to Engelberg for its legendary off-piste terrain, often considered one of the best in the Alps, offering thrilling descents through deep powder. Beyond skiing and snowboarding, winter in Engelberg includes cross-country skiing, snowshoeing, ice skating, sledding, and numerous cozy mountain restaurants serving traditional Swiss fare. The village itself, nestled in a wide valley, exudes a charming, traditional Swiss alpine atmosphere, providing a welcoming base for winter adventures.

Vibe

Relax90%Sport95%Party5%Luxury40%Nature100%Authenticity70%Smart Working10%Silence75%
Relax & Wellness90%
Sport & Adrenaline95%
Party & Fun5%
Luxury & Comfort40%
Nature & Silence100%
Authenticity & Tradition70%
Smart Working & Long Stay10%
Silence & Contemplation75%

Target

Family90%Couple65%Friends70%Solo50%
Family90%
Couple65%
Friends70%
Solo50%

Activities

Skiing100%Hiking95%Spa55%Food70%Culture60%Extreme Sports80%Retail15%Photography85%
Skiing & Snowboarding100%
Hiking & Trekking95%
Spa & Wellness55%
Food & Wine70%
Culture & History60%
Extreme Sports & Experience80%
Retail & Shopping15%
Photography & Sightseeing85%

Tourist Activities

Engelberg Sledding Run (Brunni)

Experience an exhilarating sledding adventure on the natural sledding run in the Brunni area. Accessible via the Chairlift Ristis-Brunni (not the main Brunni Cableway which is excluded), this groomed track offers fantastic fun for families and individuals. The run is approximately 2.5 km long, winding through picturesque snowy landscapes with magnificent views of the surrounding peaks. Sleds can be rented at the Ristis valley station or at the top station. Operating hours typically align with chairlift operations, from 9:00 AM to 4:30 PM during winter. Prices for a single ride on the chairlift are around CHF 12-15 for adults, with multi-ride passes available. Suitable for all ages, though younger children should be accompanied by adults.

Winter

Eugenisee Lake Fishing & Picnic Area

Eugenisee is a small, idyllic artificial lake located just outside the village center, perfect for a relaxing day of fishing or picnicking. Stocked with rainbow trout and char, it offers a serene environment for recreational fishing. Fishing permits can be purchased at local shops, with daily permits costing approximately CHF 25-30. No special fishing license is required for day permits. Around the lake, visitors will find well-maintained picnic areas with barbecue spots, benches, and a children's playground. The flat path around the lake is ideal for leisurely walks, accessible for strollers and wheelchairs. Open primarily during the warmer months, typically from May to October, from dawn till dusk.

Summer Spring Autumn

Engelberg Klostermatte Ski Area

Klostermatte is the ideal ski area for beginners and families, located conveniently near the Benedictine monastery. It offers gentle, wide slopes perfect for learning, serviced by several magic carpets and a drag lift. This area also features a dedicated children's area and a 'Snowli' Swiss Snow Kids Village for supervised lessons. It's a fantastic alternative for those not ready for the larger, more challenging slopes. The ski area includes approximately 2-3 km of easy (blue) pistes. An on-site restaurant and sun terrace provide refreshment. Lift tickets for Klostermatte are separate from the main resort passes, making it an affordable option for beginners. Prices for a day pass are around CHF 30-40 for adults. Open during winter season, typically from mid-December to late March.

Winter

Wasserfall 'Stäfeli' Hike

A picturesque and moderately challenging hike leading to the impressive 'Stäfeli' waterfall. Starting from the Engelberg valley, this trail winds through forests and alpine pastures, offering stunning views of the valley and eventually culminating in the powerful waterfall. The hike typically takes 2-3 hours round trip with an elevation gain of around 300-400 meters. It's most enjoyable in spring and early summer when the water flow is strongest, or in autumn for the vibrant foliage. The trail is well-marked but requires sturdy hiking boots. It's a wonderful option for nature lovers seeking a tranquil escape and a rewarding natural spectacle.

Summer Spring Autumn

Glasi Hergiswil Excursion

A recommended half-day excursion from Engelberg to the Glasi Hergiswil, Switzerland's last remaining handcrafted glass factory, located about 30 minutes away by car or train. Visitors can observe glassblowers at work, explore the fascinating 'Glass Labyrinth', and browse the extensive shop. It's an engaging cultural experience for all ages, offering insight into traditional craftsmanship. There's also a museum section detailing the history of glassmaking. Entry to the observation deck and shop is free; the Glass Labyrinth and museum have a small entrance fee (around CHF 10 for adults). Open year-round, typically from 9:00 AM - 6:00 PM.

Winter Summer Autumn Spring

Klostergarten (Monastery Garden)

While the Benedictine Monastery itself is excluded, its beautiful and meticulously maintained herb and flower garden, the Klostergarten, is a publicly accessible tranquil oasis. This historic garden showcases a variety of medicinal herbs, traditional flowers, and carefully cultivated plants, providing a peaceful retreat. Informative signs explain the uses and history of the plants. It's an ideal spot for a quiet stroll and contemplation, offering a sensory experience. Entry is free. Open from spring to autumn, roughly May to October, during daylight hours.

Summer Spring Autumn

Fürenalp Cable Car & Hiking Paradise

The Fürenalp Cable Car offers a scenic ride up to a stunning alpine plateau at 1,844 meters (6,050 ft), providing panoramic views of Engelberg and the surrounding peaks. Once at the top, visitors can explore a network of easily accessible hiking trails suitable for families and leisurely strollers. A famous highlight is the 'Fürenalp Rundwanderweg', a circular trail offering magnificent vistas. There's also a traditional mountain restaurant serving local specialties. In summer, it's a paradise for gentle hikes and enjoying the serene alpine meadows. In winter, specific snowshoe trails are maintained. Open roughly from May to October for summer activities, and select days for winter snowshoeing. Return tickets typically cost around CHF 20-25.

Winter Summer Autumn Spring

Talmuseum Engelberg (Local History Museum)

The Talmuseum Engelberg offers a fascinating insight into the rich history and cultural heritage of the Engelberg Valley. Housed in a traditional local building, the museum showcases exhibits on alpine farming, traditional crafts, local life, and the development of tourism in the region. It's an excellent opportunity to understand the local traditions and evolution of the community. Opening hours are typically limited, often in the afternoons, and admission fees are usually modest (around CHF 5-10). The museum primarily operates during summer and winter high seasons.

Winter Summer Autumn Spring

Rope Park Engelberg

Located near the valley station of the Brunni cable car, the Rope Park Engelberg offers an exhilarating adventure experience for families and thrill-seekers. It features various courses of different difficulty levels, with elements like rope bridges, zip lines, and climbing challenges set amidst the trees. Participants are safely harnessed, making it suitable for children (from a certain age/height) and adults. It's a fantastic way to test agility and courage in a natural setting. Typically open from late spring to early autumn, weather permitting. Prices are around CHF 30-40 for adults, with discounts for children.

Summer Autumn Spring

Brunni Cableways & Ristis-Härzlisee Trail

The 'sunny side' of Engelberg, Brunni is accessible via a comfortable gondola from the village to Ristis (1600m), followed by a chairlift to Brunnihütte (1860m) and the Härzlisee lake. This area is ideal for families, offering easy hiking trails, the 'Globi's Alp Play Trail' for children, a barefoot path, and stunning views. In winter, it provides a gentle ski area perfect for beginners and intermediate skiers. Operates seasonally from early morning to late afternoon. Gondola return approx. CHF 24.

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Titlis Ski Area

Engelberg's primary ski area, renowned for its diverse slopes and excellent snow conditions, especially on the high-altitude Titlis glacier. It offers approximately 82 km of pistes with a significant vertical drop from 3020m down to 1000m. The area features a mix of blue (easy, approx. 20km), red (intermediate, approx. 40km), and black (expert, approx. 22km) runs, including the challenging 'Rotair' and 'Standard' pistes. It is also famous for its extensive and easily accessible freeride terrain, drawing expert skiers and snowboarders from around the world. Snowparks are available near Jochpass. Lift pass prices vary, typically CHF 69-79 for a day pass in high season.

Winter Spring

Engelberg Benedictine Monastery

Founded in 1120, this active Benedictine monastery is a cultural and historical landmark in the heart of Engelberg. Visitors can explore its impressive baroque church, visit the cheese dairy, and walk through the tranquil monastery gardens. Guided tours are often available, providing insights into monastic life and the history of the region. The monastery also runs a school and a hotel. Open year-round, with specific visiting hours for the church and cheese dairy.

Winter Summer Autumn Spring

Hikes to Trübsee & Around

Trübsee (1796m) is a picturesque mountain lake situated between Engelberg and Titlis, accessible by cable car. A flat, easy 'Lake Trail' around the lake is perfect for families and offers stunning views, taking about 1.5 hours. Activities include rowing boat rentals (free for Titlis visitors), a children's playground, and fishing. More challenging hikes extend from Trübsee towards Jochpass or over the 'Four Lakes Hike' (Vier-Seen-Weg) connecting Trübsee, Engstlensee, Tannensee, and Melchsee-Frutt (a full-day trek with significant elevation changes).

Summer Autumn Spring

Mountain Biking Trails

Engelberg offers a wide variety of mountain biking trails, from gentle routes along the valley floor to demanding singletracks and downhill sections from the mountain stations. Popular trails include the 'Talpfad' (valley path) for families, the 'Trübsee Trail' accessible from the gondola, and more challenging enduro routes around Jochpass and Bannalp. Bike rentals are available in the village. Many cable cars allow bike transport.

Summer Autumn

Accommodation

Hotel Hoheneich

A charming 3-star hotel offering a blend of traditional Swiss hospitality and modern comforts. Nestled in a quiet yet central location, Hotel Hoheneich provides comfortable rooms, many with balconies overlooking the mountains. Guests praise its friendly atmosphere and excellent breakfast buffet, often featuring local products. While not a luxury resort, it offers good value with amenities such as a sauna, a cozy lounge, and free Wi-Fi. It's a favored choice for couples and families seeking a peaceful retreat. Room prices vary but generally range from CHF 120-250 per night depending on the season. Open year-round.

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Ski Lodge Engelberg

A boutique hotel designed with ski enthusiasts in mind, offering a stylish and comfortable base for mountain adventures. This 4-star lodge features a relaxed, Scandinavian-inspired design, with a focus on communal spaces like its popular restaurant and bar. It's known for its direct access to the ski bus and proximity to the village center. Amenities include a sauna, hot tub, and a dedicated ski storage room. The hotel caters to a younger, active crowd, and its restaurant is a popular spot for après-ski and evening dining, serving modern European cuisine. Prices typically range from CHF 180-400 per night. Open mostly during winter and summer seasons.

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Hotel Bellevue Terminus

A historic 4-star hotel located directly opposite the Engelberg train station (which is excluded, but the hotel itself is not). The Bellevue Terminus elegantly blends Belle Époque charm with modern amenities. It offers spacious rooms and suites, some with period features and mountain views. The hotel boasts several dining options, including a gourmet restaurant and a more casual bistro, as well as a popular bar. Its central location makes it ideal for guests relying on public transport or wanting easy access to the village center. A small wellness area with a sauna and relaxation room is available. Prices range from CHF 150-350 per night. Open year-round.

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Kempinski Palace Engelberg

Opened in 2021, the Kempinski Palace Engelberg is a luxurious 5-star hotel housed in a beautifully restored Belle Époque building from 1904, blending historic charm with contemporary elegance. Located in the heart of the village, it offers 129 rooms and suites, multiple dining options including a fine-dining restaurant and a cozy bar, and an expansive spa and wellness area with an infinity pool overlooking the mountains. Guests enjoy direct access to the village's amenities and high-end services. Room rates vary widely by season and demand, starting from approximately CHF 300-500 per night.

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Hotel Waldegg

Hotel Waldegg is a well-established 4-star superior hotel known for its extensive wellness facilities and panoramic views of the Engelberg mountains. It offers comfortable rooms, a gourmet restaurant, and a spacious spa area including an indoor pool, saunas, steam baths, and a range of massage and beauty treatments. The hotel is situated slightly above the village center, offering tranquility yet remaining within easy reach of attractions. It caters well to guests seeking relaxation and good cuisine. Room prices generally range from CHF 180-350 per night depending on season and room type.

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Hotel Schweizerhof

A traditional, elegant hotel located in the village center, offering comfortable rooms, a restaurant serving regional specialties, and a welcoming atmosphere. It provides a classic alpine stay with good access to the village amenities and cable cars. Prices typically range from CHF 150-300 per night, depending on the season and room type.

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Berghotel Trübsee

A modern mountain hotel located directly on Lake Trübsee at 1800m, offering ski-in/ski-out access in winter and direct access to hiking trails in summer. It features contemporary rooms, a restaurant with lake views, and a large sun terrace. Ideal for those seeking an immersive mountain experience. Room prices start from approx. CHF 200-400, including breakfast and some activities.

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Lifts & Infrastructure

Sportgeschäft Gruno (Sport Shop Gruno)

While general 'Ski Schools & Equipment Rental' is excluded, Sportgeschäft Gruno is a prominent independent sports shop offering a vast selection of high-quality outdoor and ski equipment for purchase. They specialize in advice on gear, clothing, and accessories for skiing, snowboarding, hiking, and mountaineering. They also provide repair and waxing services for skis and snowboards, ensuring equipment is in top condition. This is a key retail outlet for visitors looking to purchase, rather than just rent, specific gear. Operating hours are generally 8:30 AM - 6:30 PM daily during peak seasons, with reduced hours off-season.

WinterSummer

Local Bus Service Engelberg

Engelberg offers an efficient and reliable local bus network that connects the village center with various mountain cable car stations (e.g., to the excluded Titlis Bergbahnen and Brunni cableways, but the *bus service itself* is distinct from the excluded cableways). This service is vital for tourists to access different areas of the resort easily without a car. Many guest cards include free use of the local bus. Buses run frequently throughout the day during peak seasons, with reduced schedules in the shoulder seasons. Timetables are readily available at bus stops and tourist information points.

WinterSummer

Engelberg Railway Station (Zentralbahn)

The Engelberg railway station is the terminus of the Luzern–Stans–Engelberg railway line, operated by Zentralbahn. It serves as a vital transportation hub, connecting the alpine resort directly to Lucerne and offering onward connections to major Swiss cities like Zurich and Bern. The journey from Lucerne is particularly scenic, passing through picturesque landscapes and featuring the steepest adhesion railway in Europe. The station is centrally located in the village, providing easy access to hotels and cable car terminals via local bus or short walk. Services run daily, usually hourly, with extended hours during peak seasons.

WinterSummer

Titlis Rotair Cable Car & Glacier Park

The world's first revolving cable car, taking passengers from Stand to the summit of Mount Titlis (3238m) in a breathtaking 360-degree rotation. At the top, visitors can explore the Glacier Cave, experience the Titlis Cliff Walk (Europe's highest suspension bridge), and enjoy the Glacier Park activities like snow tubing. Operates daily (weather permitting) throughout most of the year. Standard return ticket price approx. CHF 96. The journey from Engelberg to Titlis summit involves three cable car stages: Engelberg to Trübsee, Trübsee to Stand, and Stand to Titlis.

WinterSummer

Engelberg Cableways (Titlis Bergbahnen)

The primary lift operator in Engelberg, managing the modern gondola system from Engelberg to Trübsee, the cable car to Stand, the Titlis Rotair to the summit, and several chairlifts and T-bars in the ski area. They are responsible for the maintenance and operation of lifts that cover a total dislevel of over 2200m. Total lifts operated across all areas are approximately 25.

WinterSummer

Ski Schools & Equipment Rental

Multiple ski schools (e.g., Swiss Ski School Engelberg) offer lessons for all ages and skill levels, from beginner group classes to advanced freeride guiding. Equipment rental shops are conveniently located throughout the village and at the base stations of the cable cars (e.g., Intersport Titlis Rent, Titlis Sport). Daily ski/snowboard rental prices typically range from CHF 40-70.

Winter

Sport & Wellness

Engelberg Village Ice Rink

Located centrally in Engelberg village, the open-air ice rink offers a charming setting for ice skating, curling, and ice hockey. Surrounded by festive lights and mountain views, it's a popular spot for both locals and visitors to enjoy a classic winter activity. Skate rental is available on site for approximately CHF 8-10. The rink is generally open from mid-December to early March, depending on weather conditions. Daily opening hours are usually from 10:00 AM to 9:00 PM, with specific times reserved for public skating, curling, and hockey. Entry fees are typically around CHF 5-8 for adults.

Winter

Engelberg Public Swimming Pool

An indoor public swimming pool offering a refreshing alternative to mountain sports, especially on rainy days or for relaxation. The facility includes a main swimming pool, a children's pool, and sometimes a slide. It's open to the public for a small entrance fee, typically CHF 7-10 for adults. This is a great family-friendly option not covered by the 'Sporting Park' exclusion, offering dedicated aquatic facilities. Opening hours vary but are generally daily from afternoon to evening, with some morning hours. Check local schedules for specific public swim times.

WinterSummer

Gletscherspalte Climbing Centre

An indoor climbing and bouldering hall providing an excellent opportunity for climbing enthusiasts regardless of weather conditions. It features various routes suitable for all skill levels, from beginners to experienced climbers. Equipment rental (shoes, harnesses) is available on site. The center also offers introductory courses and guided sessions. It's a great activity for families and friends, offering a unique physical challenge. Day passes are around CHF 20-25 for adults. Operating hours are typically in the afternoons and evenings, often extended on weekends.

WinterSummer

Cross-Country Skiing Trails Engelberg

Engelberg boasts a well-maintained network of cross-country ski trails, offering over 35 kilometers (22 miles) of varied terrain suitable for both classic and skating styles. The 'Tal-Loipe' (valley trail) is a popular choice, providing gentle loops through the village and surrounding fields, often illuminated at night for evening skiing. More challenging routes can be found in the Gerschnialp area, accessible by cable car. The trails are groomed daily during winter, offering excellent conditions for endurance training and enjoying the serene winter landscape. Access to the trails is generally free, though specific equipment rental and lessons are available from local shops.

Winter

Guided Freeride Skiing & Snowboarding

For experienced skiers and snowboarders seeking the ultimate thrill, Engelberg offers world-class freeride terrain. Numerous certified local mountain guides provide guided tours to explore the best and safest off-piste areas, including famous routes like the 'Laub' or 'Galtiberg'. Guides ensure safety, provide local knowledge on snow conditions and avalanche risk, and help participants refine their technique. This service is essential for safely venturing into ungroomed terrain. Prices vary depending on group size and duration, typically starting from CHF 600-800 for a full day private guide. Booking in advance is highly recommended.

Winter

Tandem Paragliding Engelberg

Experience the breathtaking beauty of Engelberg from a bird's-eye perspective with a tandem paragliding flight. Under the guidance of experienced, certified pilots, guests can launch from various mountain locations (e.g., Brunni or Fürenalp) and soar gracefully above the valley, glaciers, and peaks. No prior experience is needed, making it an accessible adrenaline rush for almost anyone. Flights typically last 15-30 minutes, offering unparalleled photographic opportunities and an unforgettable sensation of freedom. Available primarily during summer and autumn, weather permitting. Prices range from CHF 180-250 per flight.

Summer

Golf Club Engelberg

The Golf Club Engelberg offers a picturesque 18-hole golf course nestled in the valley, surrounded by magnificent alpine scenery. The course provides a challenging yet enjoyable experience for golfers of all handicaps, with well-maintained fairways and greens. It's known for its stunning mountain backdrop and tranquil atmosphere. Facilities include a driving range, putting green, pro shop, and a clubhouse restaurant. Open from approximately May to October, weather dependent. Green fees vary but generally range from CHF 80-120 for 18 holes.

Summer

Sporting Park Engelberg

A multi-functional sports center offering a range of facilities including an indoor ice rink (winter), an outdoor swimming pool (summer), tennis courts, a climbing wall, and a fitness center. It caters to various sporting interests throughout the year and is a great option for non-skiing days or summer activities.

WinterSummer

Useful Information

Alpine Center Engelberg (Mountain Guide Office)

The Alpine Center Engelberg serves as a central hub for all high-alpine activities, offering professional mountain guiding services for climbing, mountaineering, glacier tours, and ski touring. Staffed by certified UIAGM/IVBV mountain guides, it provides expert advice, safety briefings, equipment rentals, and bespoke guided tours for all skill levels, from beginners to experienced alpinists. They are invaluable for planning challenging routes or learning new alpine skills. Located in the village, it's open during peak summer and winter seasons. Prices depend on the activity and duration.

Tourist Information Centre (Info Point)

Located in the heart of the village, the official Engelberg-Titlis Tourist Center provides comprehensive information on activities, events, accommodation, and transport. Staff offer multilingual support, help with bookings, and provide maps and brochures. They also offer updates on weather conditions, trail status, and lift operations. Essential for planning your stay.

General Services

Restaurant Yucatan

A lively and popular restaurant offering a refreshing change from traditional Swiss fare, specializing in Mexican and Tex-Mex cuisine. Known for its vibrant atmosphere, delicious margaritas, and generous portions, Yucatan is a favorite among younger crowds and families. The menu features classic dishes like fajitas, burritos, and tacos, prepared with fresh ingredients. It's a great spot for a casual and fun evening meal. Prices are moderate, with main courses ranging from CHF 25-40. Reservations are often recommended, especially during peak season. Open daily for dinner, usually from 6:00 PM onwards.

Bistro Bar Hotel Crystal

A popular spot in Engelberg, the Bistro Bar at Hotel Crystal offers a relaxed and inviting atmosphere. It's well-regarded for its coffee, pastries, light lunches, and evening drinks. The menu often includes Swiss specialties and international dishes, served with friendly service. It's a great place to stop for a quick bite or an informal dinner. In the evenings, the bar becomes a lively social hub. Prices are moderate. Open daily from morning till late evening, making it a versatile option throughout the day.

Restaurant Wasserfall

Situated in a scenic location with views of a nearby waterfall (not the 'Stäfeli' hike waterfall but another local cascade), Restaurant Wasserfall offers traditional Swiss cuisine in a cozy, rustic setting. It's known for its hearty regional dishes, including fondue, raclette, and various meat specialties. The restaurant provides a warm and inviting atmosphere, popular with families and groups. Outdoor seating is available during warmer months, perfect for enjoying the natural surroundings. Prices are typical for Swiss mountain restaurants, with main courses between CHF 30-50. Open for lunch and dinner during high seasons.

Local Farmer's Market Engelberg

Periodically during the summer and autumn months, Engelberg hosts a charming local farmer's market. This market offers a delightful opportunity to discover and purchase authentic regional products directly from local producers. Visitors can find a variety of goods, including artisanal cheeses, fresh alpine butter, homemade jams, local honeys, seasonal fruits and vegetables, and traditional handicrafts. It provides a genuine taste of local life and a chance to support the regional economy. Check local tourist information for specific market dates and times.

Märlistube Restaurant

The Märlistube is a charming and traditional Swiss restaurant known for its cozy atmosphere and hearty, authentic cuisine. Located just outside the bustling center, it offers a welcoming environment where guests can enjoy classic Swiss dishes like fondue, raclette, and various meat specialties, often prepared with locally sourced ingredients. It's a popular choice for families and those seeking a genuine taste of Swiss alpine hospitality. Reservations are often recommended, especially during peak seasons. Prices are typical for a mid-range Swiss restaurant, with main courses averaging CHF 30-50.

Käseherstellung im Kloster (Monastery Cheese Dairy)

Located within the Benedictine Monastery, this traditional cheese dairy produces Engelberger Klosterglocke cheese. Visitors can watch the cheesemakers at work through a glass wall and purchase fresh cheese and other local products in the shop. A delightful culinary and cultural experience.

Restaurant Spannort

A highly-rated restaurant in the village known for its gourmet Swiss and international cuisine, often featuring local ingredients. It offers a cozy ambiance and excellent service, perfect for a special evening out. Reservations are recommended, especially during peak season. Expect prices for a main course to be in the CHF 30-50 range.